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Game Freezes After Battle

5:03 am, October 23, 2014 After the battle ends my game freezes right as I click on to exit the battle.  I have to go into task manager and end process and then restart the game.  I have no mods installed. &a [..] View

[EU] 3 days of premium code (Giveaway)

4:03 pm, October 22, 2014 Hello, I was given this code by a friend (who doesn't play WOT), dunno how he got it. I play on NA and apparently it only works on EU (I think it is a bonus code, not invite). Please post your most pa [..] View

[NA/EU/SEA] World of Tanks Platoon Finder [WoTmanager.com/platoon | Beta]

5:03 am, October 20, 2014 Introducing World of Tanks Platoon Finder [Beta] Powered by WoTManager.com Youtube video to show you the site in action: Tutorial Starting with the home page, the user is asked to login with OpenID th [..] View

Developers' Q&A session in WGKR 16.10.14

5:03 am, October 17, 2014 source : http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=119971 summary Alexander Tarasevich - Game & UX designer Alexander Derkch - CW programming manager For the reward of the personalised mission [..] View

13 75 Crew conundrum.

5:03 am, October 14, 2014 So, I did well in the AMX 12t, finished it with a 56% win rate. However, I'm doing rather poorly in the 13 75. Use of the search function reveals I've been playing it wrong, using it as a passive scou [..] View

move the platoon button away from the battle button

4:03 pm, October 10, 2014 it's incredibly annoying to click platoon instead of battle because they're so close together. you'd think that when redesigning the UI, WG would manage to make it better. nope. they made it worse. View

Any plans of an, in-game, armor inspector ala War Thunder in WoT?

4:03 pm, October 10, 2014 Having played some WoT over the years, and enjoyed it, I was excited when ground forces was released in War Thunder. I tried it out and found it entertaining, both games offer something the other does [..] View

So far....

4:03 pm, October 8, 2014 I'm enjoying this game,I managed to play my T-46 rather decently than expected.Thought I will **** at it because I skipped the T-26. Basically,What gun did you use on the T-46,The 45mm one or the 76mm [..] View

hmmmm.... opinions about mice

5:03 am, October 7, 2014 I think it is time for Newt to get a new mouse.... Newt only has a maximum price range of about $100 (not going to go over that very easily) Newt is not that particular, however he does not want a hor [..] View

[VEXED] is recruiting - New clan, ground floor opportunity

5:03 am, October 7, 2014 I am a 45 year old gamer with a full time job. I have set up a clan, but due to my schedule I am usually on later at night and so I would not be available full time during clan wars. This means I am m [..] View

Revised French Tree

5:03 am, October 6, 2014 At present, I don't feel that the French tree manages to represent French tactical thinking and armoured vehicle development, let alone provide sufficient variety for a nation that is so integral to t [..] View

Tank Inspector Problems

4:03 pm, October 3, 2014 Welp, tried using Tank Inspector again on my new laptop and it doesn't work. Saw it in the Task Manage but it disappears. Using Windows 8.1 plus have the last version of .Net Framework and DirectX. An [..] View

Looking just like everyone else

4:03 pm, October 2, 2014 Hello and good day to you. My name is John and just like everyone else I am looking for an active well managed and clan war type of clan. I am a little rusty I have been away for seven months on a job [..] View

Tier list of tanks for tier 6 strongholds

5:03 am, October 2, 2014 Lately I've been doing quite a bit of tier 6 strongholds and encountering a lot of teams that seem to have no idea what they're doing. I'm hoping to write some guides maybe when I have more experience [..] View

Spotting damage! Your contribution is needed!

4:03 pm, September 29, 2014 Storm recently confirmed that Spotting Damage is ready to be included in the api but was "forgotten" at some point. All software engineers are like real busy doing Havok (soon). Alas, this l [..] View

New epic awards comming in 9.4 - SPOILERS! (updated)

4:03 pm, September 27, 2014 After these great awards release in 9.3, new ones are comming soon....   I AM NOT A BOT Award! - Leave the flag circle at battle start! This epic award was created for General BotSu [..] View

Grinding under-powered tank lines, should I just give ?

4:03 pm, September 24, 2014 I have left the comfort of my gaming pc for the week, and being the OCD WoT player that I am, I decided to lurk the forums and /r/WorldofTanks for the past few days, reading both current and older pos [..] View

Start, then it runs as a backround process.

4:03 pm, September 24, 2014 OK So this is really weird. before this micro patch my WoT was working, after the patch I hit play and WoT does not show up but only as a backround process in Task Manager. I have no mods, I have redo [..] View

Grinding guide - how to avoid losing streaks

4:03 pm, September 22, 2014 Hi tankers.   I've been reading lately about fellow tankers bemoaning losing streaks. I think we all have experienced losing streaks and know how they affect our mood. But when I read about l [..] View

So much fun, but I have questions...

5:03 am, September 21, 2014 Staff Sergeant Finnegan shouted over the din of the engine to his driver. "Allingham! We're exposed on this road! There's a slope on the side, right next to the lake. Take us along there [..] View

BINARY IS RECRUITING SKILLED PLAYERS FOR EXECUTIVE AND NON-EXECUTIVE POSITIONS

4:03 pm, September 20, 2014   Binary [11011]  is recruiting skilled players to fill both executive and non-executive positions   Minimum Requirements - 1500 Recent WN8 -  - WN8 Must [..] View

SinsOfWrath - 60 Day 1851 w/ 58% WR Looking for clan

5:03 am, September 20, 2014 I have departed -TRN- at 2220 EST on 19Sep14.  Forum signature may reflect still being in clan.   Recruiters,   I am SOW looking for a primarily platooning clan with potenti [..] View

This is not a vent post. This is not a rage post. I'm not getting mad at anyone, only myself. I'm not making you read. But it would be nice if you did.

4:03 pm, September 19, 2014 Tonight's session was horrible. You might read that one statement and think "man, another tomato's thinking he's the top of the world and is about to ***** about the baddies and the bad mm and th [..] View

New Clan Positions!

4:03 pm, September 19, 2014 Link here   Since there isn't a discussion thread, I thought I might start one here.   Just a few notes and thoughts: What are the differences between Junior Officer and Pri [..] View

We are Wargaming EU! AMAA!

5:03 am, September 19, 2014 Hello reddit! We are Wargaming EU and please AMAA! We say "Almost Anything" as the primary focus of this AMA is for any questions you have regarding update 9.3 and our new strongholds featur [..] View

59-16 Suggestions

5:03 am, September 19, 2014 I've grown to love this little Chinese tier 6 light tank, and I've managed to get an idea of scouting. It's not perfect, but considering I've been trying and failing at scouting for about three years, [..] View

HARDCORE mode (Think DayZ meets WoT!)

4:03 pm, September 18, 2014 I have been brainstorming about what is missing from my WoT experience.  Thought of the solution this morning while distracting myself by dreaming of TANKS during a 2 hour ruck march!&nbs [..] View

A Guide on How to be Competent in 7/42

5:03 am, September 18, 2014 This is just going to be a bit of bread and butter stuff. It'll show a few battles from a string of matches on Himmelsdorf just to show some of these tactics in action. Also if you are expecting some [..] View

I need your opinion on this cw/company strategy

5:03 am, September 17, 2014 I see one major problem with all strategies in cws and companies. When commander is considered total power - players obey his orders even if it costs them their tank. One single guy/girl cant fully un [..] View

Back to the table: The Maus

5:03 am, September 16, 2014 Before: Once the great and fearsome Grey mouse, it would make ennemies cower into concealment, waiting for their moment to strike the beast, but the beast stood, proud, under the punishment inflicted, [..] View

Need Help with Bat Chat and IS-7 Play Style

5:03 am, September 13, 2014 I first started out in WoT playing scouts. I saw my ex playing and decided to give it a shot and when he asked what I wanted to do I just said "go fast". So the first tank I went after was t [..] View

Comparison

4:03 pm, September 12, 2014 WARNING LONG POST I do not if this belongs here but hell if it is moved then it is moved. This is a post about another comparedto warthunder staff and play wise. The other game is called Wart [..] View

Capping win delay

4:03 pm, September 9, 2014 Well, during an assault battle, me and my friend managed to sneak passed the enemy team in our little AMX ELC's and into the cap. We then successfully capped up to 100 at that point i was shot and the [..] View

Highest WR I have ever gotten in a Day

5:03 am, September 9, 2014 I manage to hold my wn8 around 2500 all day but i never notice i was getting high WR all day lol. well anyway 70% seem like a huge achievement for me. My question is, is Win Rate really just luck? &am [..] View

WGEU AMAA

5:03 am, September 8, 2014 Ectar, Obirian and Tugali will be representing WGEU to answer your questions about the 9.3 update on September 18th from 1930 to 2100 CEST(gmt+1). Like the last AMAA Wargaming EU participated in, we r [..] View

17.26 sec :(

5:03 am, September 6, 2014 is the new reload speed  on KV85 122mm  100 % crew Vents and rations bring it down to 16.6 sec    but that not what is horrible about the tank ( it does have a 100 [..] View

Worst's Guide On Reducing Your Sodium Levels In World of Tanks. (How To Rage Less)

4:03 pm, September 5, 2014 Warning: wall of text and positive thinking ******** ahead Lately I've been noticing a large increase in the amount of salty players in the world of tanks community. Lot's of rage, lot's of frustratio [..] View

Some thoughts on in-game Camo schemes

5:03 am, September 5, 2014 While it isn't their #1 priority right now, I feel like the options for in-game camo could use some work. I know some guys don't really care about how it actually looks, but I originally came to the g [..] View

On the "Shut up you're dead" - argument.

4:03 pm, September 4, 2014 "Shut up you're dead."   A sentence usually outed by the fiery red (both statistically and appearantly in anger level) pubbie.   Usually goes accompanied with '..., noob' o [..] View

FTR's Conclusion on Arty Email Leaks Flawed and so is WG's Logic

5:03 am, September 4, 2014 http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/09/03/insider-wargaming-thoughts-on-arty/ Summary: Players Whine about Arty, supported by Stats (a) WG sets to nerf arty Serb rages predicting TD will be whined about Spe [..] View

Crew is Crucial - 75k mission

4:03 pm, September 1, 2014 So last night finally managed to finish this 75k crew XP mission and used the Bat-Chat. Stupidly I didn't really pay attention to the before and after effect but it seems one crewman jumped way ahead [..] View

Glitched rock on Karelia

2:01 pm, August 27, 2014 So I recently encountered a glitch in which I got stuck inside the rock at H9 on karelia. it was... bizarre. anyway, attached is a picture. the pz 1 c behind me also managed to get into the rock. he i [..] View

World of tanks rage, how do you manage it?

2:01 am, August 25, 2014 I consider myself to be a pretty nice guy in general, but I do have a bit of an anger problem when playing tanks. I didn't used to and I am not sure why I do now. I have started to rage quit [..] View

Baddies Vs "self righteous pros"

2:01 pm, August 22, 2014 Pro's have evolved and emerged from the beginning in this game to where we are now, but instead of helping others learn how to play better and improve the all around effectiveness of players in each d [..] View

How do you manage burnout/periods of really bad quality play (assuming you have them)?

2:01 am, August 22, 2014 I jumped on to WoT tonight and picked up the Chi-Ri which I've been saving for for the last couple of days as I'm poor atm and can't afford premium. I've unlocked every [..] View

took a break and now better then ever

2:01 am, August 20, 2014 so I took a break from WOT and now I've been doing a lot better I've managed to raise my Victories/Battles to 47.33% and it was around 30-35% before I took a break so thats good I think and I've been [..] View

What makes a good player in WOT. A commentary on why I think stats matter.

2:01 am, August 20, 2014 Let me preface this by saying this is my personal opinion developed largely around my experience in this game over the last few months. It is not intended to criticize or insult anyone who disagrees o [..] View

On track event

2:01 pm, August 19, 2014 I somehow managed to get just over 25k xp in 24 battles. A combination of good mm, rng, and luck can go quite a ways I guess. How did everyone do on the first day of the on track? View

High alpha gun for WN8 paddle?

2:01 am, August 19, 2014 Hi guys Ive just had an awesome battle on my KV-2, every single battle in this beast is fun but also as long as I manage to get shots in place you get plenty of massive damage. Can a tank like this b [..] View

Pretty terrible weekend

2:01 pm, August 18, 2014 I usually don't subscribe to the whole x5/x3 weekend, as the last x5 weekend was great. This was just one of the quality teams I had the fortune of having. This one was great, an EZ8 driver man [..] View

Why is this game such a troll ?

2:01 am, August 17, 2014 So after a year i managed to finaly unlock the Tiger 1 and Jphanter. I thought YES ! finaly i can do some serious damadge from now on. But the game said NOPE ! first you need to grind on stock parts a [..] View

ELC AMX owner, need a professional racer's input.

2:01 pm, August 16, 2014 Just bought my ELC yesterday.. tried grinding the AMX 40 3 times already and quit every single time.. now I had a premium account for 3 days and this x5 weekend(day) and said it's now or never [..] View

World of Cheaters

2:01 am, August 16, 2014 You know what I am sick of this. i am sick of the fact that you allow people to use mods which are CLEARLY illegal and you do NOTHING to stop it. World of Tanks is nothing more than a bunch of cheat [..] View

[NA] Automatic Clan Wars Battle Schedule for Teamspeak 3

2:01 am, August 13, 2014 CR/D Thread, Contact Info, etc Example Image Note: Works on Teamspeak Servers that have multiple clans too! To Clan Commanders and Teamspeak server owners, If you're interested in having this [..] View

Please help: Master's Dissertation Survey on the perception of eSports such as World of Tanks

2:01 am, August 10, 2014 Hi everyone, my name is Tilo and I am a postgraduate student at Bournemouth University in England. I am currently writing my dissertation on the perception of eSports with regard to traditional sport, [..] View

From WoT to Blitz, my impressions after 1k battles. I'd like to read yours.

2:01 am, August 8, 2014 I'm a 5k 50,5% 842 WM8 WoT player, ie not quite total noob but not quite dry behind the ears yet. I decided to give the WoT Blitz a try over the holidays and managed to hide from social obliga [..] View

So I've set myself a goal, to be "green" and how do you carry games?

2:01 pm, August 7, 2014 So about a month ago, I was asking people here if I was "good for 2k games." and had like 800-900 WN8. After 500 games I've got 1042 overall wn8 and I've averaged 1,4 [..] View

Crusader, 50%hp, 1v3, 18 rounds left...now what?

2:01 pm, August 7, 2014 Ok, here's the setup...Driving my Crusader on El Haluf, my platoonmate & I swept from the north spawn to the south spawn, took down the arty & a few TDs, then got into overwatch on the cap. I [..] View

Fix the BOT problem... now!

2:01 am, August 7, 2014 http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/02/04/bots-introduction-to-the-menace/ I don't know how you will fix it. I don't care if it takes more work on my part. If I continue to play against computers my mone [..] View

Anyone Crashing Bad?

2:01 am, August 4, 2014 Like bad bad I've NEVER had any problems with any of the patches that Wargaming put out, but this one wow I don't know if it's my computer, but I doesn't seem like it. Ran full virus check, cleaned [..] View

How is your Double for Every Victory?

2:01 pm, August 3, 2014 Howdy fellow Uropeans, Question as titled. I get 32% WR, although doing ~1800 WN8 (not late game damage), grinding mostly mediocre vehicles (e.g. Black Prince, Jagdpanzer IV) and platooning... Lemmin [..] View

Run 9.2 last night but stops running at client screen this morning

2:01 pm, August 1, 2014 I ran 9.2 last night just fine. I was checking mod updates so I rebooted several times and played battles each time without any problem. This morning I get to the blank client screen and it shuts down [..] View

My World of Tanks

2:01 am, August 1, 2014 One thing, I think we don't do enough of on these forums, is talk about the game in a larger sense. It's all well and good to discuss arty changes or gold rounds specifically but I think a lot gets lo [..] View

Strongholds How-To Post

2:01 am, July 31, 2014 Strongholds! Up until now, you probably have only slightly heard of this new part of WoT. You might be wondering Is this something I might want to participate in?, or Sweet! Im up for it, but how do w [..] View

The A-43 is everything I want in a medium

2:01 am, July 31, 2014 Basically speed. The 76 gun isn't terrible with the pen. I carry 15 spreme and 15 HE and dump the rest in AP and it seems to work well. Couple that with standard rammer, egld and coated optics and thi [..] View

[Arty] How is the St. Pz. II supposed to compete with the Pz. Sfl. IVb?

2:01 am, July 30, 2014 The St. Pz. II has a Tier 3 gun at T4, while the Pz. Sfl. IVb has a Tier 4 gun with superior firerate, damage, range, accuracy, aiming time and weight (For the people that care about that kind of thin [..] View

How does "High Caliber" work?

2:01 pm, July 29, 2014 I'm not exactly new, but I just got out of a match in my T34 that really confused me. Title pretty much says it all, how did I manage to get high caliber for this match? Attached Thumbnails [..] View

Lorraine 40t - did I see it all?

2:01 pm, July 28, 2014 Ok, I just got the Lorraine 40t and di exactly 5 games in it. Now I must say I am not new to auto-loaders. My T54E1 has 59% winrate, my (mostly HEAT) T69 with 62% winrate. Game Number 1 Top tier of co [..] View

[NA] Clan Wars Timeline!

2:01 am, July 28, 2014 submitted by TheChandog [link] [1 comment] View

I was on my way to the batchat 25t and kinda fell in love...

2:01 am, July 25, 2014 with the Lorraine 40t. I was prepared for a grind, considering all the hate it gets, but this thing is fun, fun, FUN! I freexp'd the top gun and have gotten 20 or so games in it. Tough to carr [..] View

How to VK 30.01 P?

2:01 pm, July 24, 2014 I chose VK 30.01 P because I wanted to grind the Tiger P and the Ferdinand, but I will stop at that and then go back to Tiger I and E-100 line, instead of Maus. My problem is...How do you manage to do [..] View

T9 is so close, yet so far

2:01 pm, July 23, 2014 Dear redditors, today I realized that I have been playing this game two and a half years. I am not a hardcore player, nor am I a true casual - I play when I want to / can and I'd like to thin [..] View

Looking for a Clan - Tank Companies, Tournaments, Platooning, Clan Wars

2:01 am, July 22, 2014 I started up my own clan PZLHR with hopes to get somewhere but over the past months not much progress has been made. I wanted to get active members and go through training, set up regular Tank Compani [..] View

Assortment of UI/Control questions

2:01 am, July 22, 2014 Hey all, so back from another round of listening to "elite" players (because they have ALL the Tier X tanks and are in a clan,so apparently I'm supposed to listen to them,even if they did ma [..] View

Battle Calling, Are there any guides or help?

2:01 am, July 21, 2014 So I have fairly recently been promoted in my clan to the tournament organizer, because I started getting my clan involved in tournaments. I am also usually the one calling these battles. I feel that [..] View

A jumble of ranting and questions

2:01 pm, July 20, 2014 Let me get this out first: **** MUROVANKA. Obviously the forest is a lot more advantageous to the south as they have that raised camping platform that is literally a here-you-go-i-have-everything-you- [..] View

Constantly losing.

2:01 am, July 20, 2014 So I started today off wanting to play some tanks. Got on and lost first game. Okay nothing new there. Seven games later still haven't won a single game. 8 loses in a row. I am not saying that [..] View

Gore's Medal doesn't give Courageous Resistance?

2:01 pm, July 19, 2014 From this battle result, I managed to get a Gore's Medal without getting the Courageous Resistance bonus. Is this a bug, or does Gore's Medal not count for some reason? submitted by [..] View

r/worldoftanks Welcomes leaders of top NA & EU clans. Ask them anything!

2:01 pm, July 19, 2014 Note: Thread is up for posting questions. Replies may be delayed until Saturday morning. Get your questions in and upvote! Officers from the top North American clans (SIMP, PBKAC, OTTER, RELIC, VILIN, [..] View

Game client failing to launch

2:01 am, July 19, 2014 Hello I am having major difficulties launching the CLIENT itself, not the launcher. The launcher works fine. I open it up and click play but nothing happens. The process Worldoftanks.exe comes up in t [..] View

Summer Heartbreak Results

2:01 pm, July 18, 2014 We had so many great entries in the contest, it was very hard to chose a winner. So many of you received ace tanker from your loss. Some people like Shrew wondered why they even bothers to platoon wh [..] View

I just got the Type 61, so what can I expect?

2:01 pm, July 17, 2014 Spoiler http://www.wotreplays.com/site/1010762#ruinberg-infinityshadow-type_61 Ok so this was the first game I ran in it and i did pretty good, but the first game doesn't tell me h [..] View

Looking for more tanks like the M3 Lee.

2:01 am, July 16, 2014 Hey all. I started playing this game back when it started, but have recently returned. My favorite tank was hands down the M3 Lee. Not a troll, not kidding, etc. I loved this tank's DPM and as [..] View

That "should of died" moments

2:01 am, July 16, 2014 We all get those "I should of totally died right there" moments and I decided to bring you a moment that is priceless. Spoiler It starts off with me moving alittle closer too the [..] View

Clan Wars AMA: this saturday

2:01 am, July 15, 2014 This saturday we will be hosting an AMA for top clan wars clans. Officers from prestigious clans like OTTER, RELIC, SIMP, VILIN, and PBKAC are going to answer questions on clan wars, campaigns, how to [..] View

Bad Juju Tanks

2:01 pm, July 14, 2014 Few words of introduction: I have a small goal of maintaining positive WR on as many tanks in garage, as possible. And luckily, I manage to get it on most of my vehicles. However, I have problems with [..] View

KV-5 Kinda underpowered...

2:01 am, July 12, 2014 Hey, its me Snowy, and I have a KV-5 I've had my Kv-5 for about 2 years now, and 2 years ago armor was ok. now the armor is ****, most tanks that shoot at the kv-5 pen now, way too many weakspots, a [..] View

Teams that throw games?

2:01 pm, July 9, 2014 Spoiler Have you ever felt like your team is throwing a game away? Some times I have to wonder how games go so one sided in complete land slides. The game above isn't a 100% land slide, b [..] View

A noob tomato looking to turn green

2:01 am, July 9, 2014 So I decided to check this game out this past weekend and it turns out it might have been the worst time for it with the 5x weekend. I ended up in tier fours nearly in tier fives and all that. I manag [..] View

So how exactly does the friendly fire ban work?

2:01 am, July 9, 2014 Thought I read it was automatic, just had some guy in a platoon of 3 one shot one of his platoon, went blue but stayed in game, then one shot another of our team and stayed in game. Then his remainin [..] View

Wot Won't start in

2:01 am, July 7, 2014 Welcome. For some time now I have a new computer. The first game I installed was of course a World of Tanks. For a week the game has been very good at high settings. But recently something had to go w [..] View

Churchil III, is it worth the Gold?

2:01 pm, July 6, 2014 So some time ago, lots of gold bonus codes where given, and I managed to get my hands on some of them, giving me a whooping 1500 gold for free. I am not willing to put money in the game, so I can& [..] View

The tank that gave you your most satisfying "Ace Tanker" moment...

2:01 am, July 6, 2014 Which tank you piloted gave you a huge smile on your face when you managed to get its Ace Tanker Badge? Posting your replay of that moment is optional, but encouraged. Mine would be my M4 Sherman (The [..] View

Where the did the NA Japanese Lights/Mediums forums go?

2:01 pm, July 5, 2014 Was just going to look up some stuff about the STB-1 when both forums seem to have managed to go poof since the last time I dared venture on the NA forums. submitted by sumrndmredditor [link] [3 c [..] View

Better computer eye candy only or improves play?

2:01 pm, July 5, 2014 I play on a laptop that can manage a reliable 20-40fps with the lowest graphics settings (but high draw distance). I can manage with it and can't really complain, but I may have an opportunity [..] View

Good-bye KV-4

2:01 pm, July 3, 2014 I really tried to like you but it just does not seem to work out. I know 40 games are not a lot to get each other better, but I spent free exp to unlock your turret and top gun, so I drove you close t [..] View

So How do you fight T7's in a KV1?

2:01 pm, July 1, 2014 Hey all, post in another topic got me to thinking, the community is great for information so I figured I'd ask here. Not looking for detailed plans , but generalities to improve my gameplay. I hav [..] View

Crushing defeat. Couldn't figure out how to take out last tank.

2:01 pm, July 1, 2014 http://wotreplays.com/site/974390 Crushing defeat this morning. Won 3 out of 4.Last tank was obviously faster than me so he was able to use the building as cover effectively. Just couldn't manage t [..] View

Fansite Showcase: WoTManager

2:01 am, July 1, 2014 submitted by TheChandog [link] [3 comments] View

Pitched Battle Mode

2:01 pm, June 30, 2014 I'm still quite novice at this game at little over 5k battles, and many may detest me as I have done over half of them as Artillery. However, I do feel that most of the maps feel rather small and not [..] View

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