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ELC noob

4:03 pm, October 24, 2014 Yo tankers, I've been playing WOT for about 2 yearsish now and I've had my ELC for a long time, but I feel I'm not playing it very well, I charge in and die within minutes. Some helpful tips would go [..] View

Which stock grind is less painful? T95 or T30?

4:03 pm, October 24, 2014 Title pretty much says it all. I've unlocked T30 and am grindind to the T95. Eventually I want to get both but I would like to have your opinions on which stock grind is less painful. I realized that [..] View

A Fury based historical battle

4:03 pm, October 24, 2014 So the movie got me thinking. Historically, 4 Sherman's were required to handle 1 Tiger. How about a 4 Sherman's versus 1 Tiger historical battle? Make it like the movie, so 3 Tier 5 M4s and 1 Tier 6 [..] View

Last Man Standing - Medal of Honour Award

4:03 pm, October 24, 2014 Hi everyone, I thought a new courage's medal should be added to the game, utilising some rules behind this, it could be implemented.   This medal would be in honor of Walter D. Ehle [..] View

The Bishop. Why?

5:03 am, October 24, 2014 So, I wanted to try something else and figured the FV304 would be nice. The Birch Gun was actually fun to play and the turret pretty cool. Then I got the Bishop. WTF is this thing? It has an incredibl [..] View

Some people need to learn the difference between abandoning your team and falling back.

5:03 am, October 24, 2014 The difference? The first would be if your heavies are in a fairly intense fight and have a fairly good chance of winning if you play it right. By this I mean if it's like 4 heavies brawling against 4 [..] View

Premium vs Premium

5:03 am, October 24, 2014 I would love to have fair play game. If I play premium, I would love to play vs people who are playing the same premium account and invest money in game. As a consumer and customer I think that playin [..] View

Enough with the Warnings... Your pissing me off

5:03 am, October 24, 2014 I appreciate that WOT is trying to better the game play but a blanket warning system when a person leave is bull. I don't pay and and play a game where someone "Warns me". Im a fifty year ol [..] View

TIL there used to be crew voices for battle won and lost....i want that...

4:03 pm, October 23, 2014 http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Battle_Mechanics#Unused_Messages and crew voice for gun reloaded, explosion nearby and enemy spotted too....i'd guess somehow it gets annoying but before that it would be [..] View

Churchill AVRE British artillery?

4:03 pm, October 23, 2014 The Armoured Vehicle Royal Engineers was a Churchill III or IV equipped with the Petard, a 290 mm Spigot mortar, throwing the 40 lb (18 kg) "Flying dustbin" with its 28 pound high explosive [..] View

Wargaming needs to learn how to run a tournament

4:03 pm, October 23, 2014 For about 8 or 9 months now, I've been doing tournaments that Wargaming puts up every week. Main reason being "obviously" the metric **** ton of gold you can make. This is why they are prett [..] View

IS-4, the Russian anvil

4:03 pm, October 23, 2014 Many people overlook this tank simply because the stats on it are not really that impressive. I mean, we are talking about a tank with slow top speed, slow acceleration, a little clumsy on the turns, [..] View

9.4 Common Test 2 Issues and Reports

4:03 pm, October 23, 2014 Greetings Tankers!   The 9.4 Common Test will be brought back online soon, and we would greatly appreciate your assistance in identifying any issues or problems you encounter. Screenshots, re [..] View

GLD or Vert Stabs

5:03 am, October 23, 2014 Before we start off. I love fast aiming. Now, I am coming onto the Object 140 very soon, and would running GLD over Stabs be a vaible option? I find that the 2.3 second aim time is too long on the T-5 [..] View

My thoughts on golden ammunition.

5:03 am, October 23, 2014 I understand that there are many different posts about people flaming and raging about the gold ammunition and i have also had my own share of rage. "Why are you wasting ******* gold rounds on a [..] View

Why Yinz Cost So Much To Run!

4:03 pm, October 22, 2014 The T57 and T29 are two tanks that I don’t understand why they are so expensive to run.  I got the itch to run my T57 last night so I played approximately 15 games in it. I ran stan [..] View

Do people really think arty is OP, or do you think it is just an emotional reaction?

5:03 am, October 22, 2014 For tiers 6-10: 12.2% of vehicles average over 1 ****/game, only 3.8% amongst arty. 41% of vehicles have over 50 percent winrates, only 38% amongst arty. Arty represent 13% of the tanks in these tiers [..] View

RDTT2 time commitments

5:03 am, October 22, 2014 Hi, so I'm considering joining RDTT2 for strongholds. What I would like to know is what the time commitment is. My week is pretty spotty, but I can play on most weekend nights. Thanks! submitted by [..] View

A writeup on light tanks [AMX12t edition]

5:03 am, October 22, 2014 Ok, to address the kind of awkward pacing and formatting of this post, I actually wrote it as one 15,318 character post, but obviously that doesn't work too well with Reddits format. I'll link to the [..] View

Tactical Magic [TACMG] Recruiting

5:03 am, October 22, 2014 I don't want to go and make this all fancy, with brilliant colors, and flashy pics, etc... This is combat folks, and COMBAT is not pretty, nor is it Glamorous like those ignorant pukes in Hollywood ma [..] View

Looking for a decent Tier 6 premium.

5:03 am, October 22, 2014 So I am looking for a decent Tier VI premium tank. I have a few in mind, but I only have enough for 1 of them. Here is a list on my play style and opinion.   -I snipe a lot, but can go into m [..] View

Punish People Bumping Into You

5:03 am, October 22, 2014 Two days in a row I have had to shoot someone for bumping into me while I was focusing fire and covering team members.  I would normally tell them off in chat but I'm perma'ed in chat. So I n [..] View

Arty as a game mechanic

4:03 pm, October 21, 2014 As a relatively casual player of Tanks but a big video game fan and someone that like to analyze things I just do not understand how arty functions in the game as it stands now. They have some super f [..] View

NARWL is selectively recruiting

4:03 pm, October 21, 2014   Upvote is an independent clan active in clan wars. We are RDDT's sister clan.   Upvote is looking for recruits for Clan Wars and the upcoming Campaign!   & [..] View

What are your 3 LEAST favorite tanks in the game?

5:03 am, October 21, 2014 Mine would have to be the D.W.2, the grind was awful. No armor, practically no gun, no speed, and it was just useless. I see other playrs driving the DW2, and i feel sorry for them. The BDR, even thou [..] View

Um. Just wthis this, some type of punishment?

5:03 am, October 21, 2014 So I just decided I'd hop on tonight for a game or two, as this game is what I love to play in my spare time, and I log on to get this ****.    So I get inside a game, and in the fir [..] View

Suggestion - 4th consumables slot just for food/fuel

4:03 pm, October 20, 2014 I think it would encourage the use of these consumable if there was a 4th slot that could only be used for consumable that are consumed at the beginning of each game, like chocolate.   Win-wi [..] View

Just saw Fury and it made me think...

5:03 am, October 20, 2014 ...that WoT should implement a White Phosporous or other smoke rounds. Tanks popping smoke and then advancing would not only look awesome and be more "realistic" but could also help reduce T [..] View

Looking for a better ambient sounds pack, can anyone help?

5:03 am, October 20, 2014 I'm getting back into WoT after a lengthy absence, and friends have told me to try out Aslain's XVM mod pack, which is fine, but I don't like the crew sounds that you can pick from in that pack. I re [..] View

How to set up a SBMM that is sustainable.

5:03 am, October 20, 2014 Previously there were discussions regarding the SBMM that it is not sustainable due to the fact that it renders the difference in WN8 between different groups to disappear. One way to do it is to crea [..] View

Do you have any tips for playing the M3 Lee?

4:03 pm, October 19, 2014 I am currently on the tank which precedes it and I dredged up nothing but terrible feedback about it. Stuff like 'worst tank in the game' and 'I wish it would get testicle cancer and die in alone in a [..] View

Mod that shows winrate + WN8 above players' tanks?

4:03 pm, October 19, 2014 I noticed Foch was using a mod which showed the WN8, winrate, and number of games above players' tanks in his latest video (he's probably had it for ages, but I noticed it halfway through this video a [..] View

What happened today while attempting to pay for a Fury Bundle (WG Fail)

4:03 pm, October 19, 2014 So I recently decided I would buy a Fury bundle with the $100 package. I went to gift shop, and double checked the amount of money I needed and the payment method, which is MyCard. (MyCard is like a e [..] View

PLAYER-ISSUED AWARDS (JUST A SUGGESTION)

4:03 pm, October 19, 2014 Greetings and salutations, fellow tankers!   Just a noob trying to make the games more pleasurable.   Just played a game where I saw a player play an amazing game, yet upon checking [..] View

Game doesn't load after clicking Play

4:03 pm, October 19, 2014 Morning everyone,   I'm not the most technically inclined, but often whenever I click Play from the launcher, it can take up to 15 minutes for the game to actually load.  I wonder if [..] View

KMaus, any news on the super secret awesome super mission you mentioned?

4:03 pm, October 19, 2014 Concerning your post found here: http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/392721-free-togs-for-all/page__st__120__pid__7915051#entry7915051      Speculation on t [..] View

Extra Life Gaming Marathon

5:03 am, October 19, 2014 Hey folks! I don't know if any of you have heard but there's a gaming marathon going on October 25th to raise money for children in hospitals. I was thinking the World of Tanks sub reddit should get i [..] View

Fixing Lakeville!?

5:03 am, October 19, 2014 http://imgur.com/go9yZfE http://imgur.com/iXp4PSA I figured this might just go unnoticed at the bottom of the previous Lakeville post, but this seems to me like an easy fix to help Lakeville flow a li [..] View

A tank walks into a bar...

5:03 am, October 19, 2014 Hi guys,   I have a question. The age old query that plagues us all. Why, after 2 years of sterling performance; low ping, good numbers, no problems and great fun, would my game turn into a s [..] View

Ughh, just had a teammate fail at trying to TK me

5:03 am, October 19, 2014 After calling out an allied KV-5 for camping by telling the enemy team that KV-5s are the best sniping platform in the game, he started talking smack and did the usual "ur bad" and "now [..] View

Light Tanks should require less exp to unlock(repetitive/boring gameplay)..

5:03 am, October 19, 2014 Light Tank by far the least played and very difficult to acquire experience due to lack of damage and bad pen. Here is an example of what is wrong with Light tank lines. Aufkl Panther cost like 43,100 [..] View

Why arty cannot be removed

4:03 pm, October 18, 2014 To start off, I'm not saying arty makes me think rainbows and butterflies. Most of the time, arty is just that annoying brat, the one who hits you but you can't hit back. I don't even play arty. But, [..] View

M4A3E8 "Fury" related questions

5:03 am, October 18, 2014 Hello! I would want to know opinions about this new premium medium! How does the tank compare against his normal non-premium brother? How is the income? How does the nerfed armor hold up? General opin [..] View

Is the Schmalturm worth it as a German medium crew trainer?

5:03 am, October 18, 2014 With the upcoming EU 30% sale on the Pz.Kpfw. IV Schmalturm, should I buy it as a German medium crew trainer? It'll only cost 2625 gold, down from 3750. I've looked at reviews on the Panther/M10 and i [..] View

A43 line vs T-34-85 line?

5:03 am, October 18, 2014 I'm currently on the T-34 Russian Med and was wondering which med would suit me better. I am looking for fast flankers like the M7, Cromwell, Crusader, etc. I am less interested in another T-34 like t [..] View

North American invite request. Thanks!

5:03 am, October 18, 2014 Hi everyone. I hate making a thread about this as it seems like I'm begging (which I clearly am) but I was told it would be a good idea to ask for an invite before I registered an account. So if some [..] View

Suggestion to make World of Tanks better.

5:03 am, October 18, 2014 So my suggestion is simple, in order to keep players like myself who are starting to get tired of WoT and are looking towards "other games" to get our tank combat fix.   1.) Put Pre [..] View

Publish RNG value for every shot

5:03 am, October 18, 2014 Simple idea, I would like the numbers RNG comes up with for shot placement in the reticule, pen value and damage value published in a place I can access them after every game so I may go through repla [..] View

Trying to find more suitable lines to go down.

4:03 pm, October 17, 2014 I'll admit up front, before I continue, that I'm not good at this game except in a select few tanks. I'm working on improving, but it's gonna take a while. Just below a 50% win rate, though, so I'm ge [..] View

WG please...

4:03 pm, October 17, 2014 ...can't you give us more T5 premiums? With the new XP boost from premium tonks the sweet spot for crew training is tier 5, because they're more likely to have a full 5-man crew at that tier, but it's [..] View

Why not split teams based on skill instead?

4:03 pm, October 17, 2014 First off I'd like to say that I'm not saying this would work, I'm asking if it could, and if not why? I'm also not saying that the current system is broken or bad, I just had this opinion on how it m [..] View

Spoiler alert: Fury tactics

4:03 pm, October 17, 2014 If you intend on seeing the movie and haven't, please don't proceed down this thread.  That said.......         ......   did anyone else think th [..] View

Advice on getting into heavies

4:03 pm, October 17, 2014 I just crested 2000 battles yesterday and have been playing with lights, mediums and TDs and have been doing so-so. I have been watching you-tube and reading the newbie guides daily. Most of my experi [..] View

New to scouting . I think i'm going to enjoy these tanks.

5:03 am, October 17, 2014 http://wotreplays.com/site/1247002#el_halluf-visveres-t37 Replay of me in my newly acquired T37 ( just 2nd gun and last radio ) having a blast on El Halluf . Got very lucky in retrospect if they were [..] View

Quick temp post: Regarding the Total Destruction mission, does accelerated crew training make any difference on the reward?

5:03 am, October 17, 2014 The reward is 10,000 crew xp, so since it is crew exp only it seems logical that it would not double on a crew member via the training option (since that is for converting combat exp to crew exp). Is [..] View

Tiger P and Tiger 1 platoon is one of the best tank combos.

5:03 am, October 17, 2014 The tanks are almost identical, but for some reason, the two combined intimidates all the tanks we brawled. They would literally back up and miss us. Played 8 games. Won 8 games. This is after losing [..] View

WG you have GOT to be kidding right now.

5:03 am, October 17, 2014 Found at the bottom of this weekends gift shop bundles:   "The Silent Sniper bundle above is available only to residents of Latin America (Argentina, Belize, Bolivia, Brazil, Ch [..] View

Should the silver price for gold rounds vary with 'supply and demand'?

4:03 pm, October 16, 2014 Ever since the switch, gold has become more popular (from what I've seen and heard). Currently, the silver price is simply the gold price converted to silver (1:400). Would adding a 'market' to WoT th [..] View

Changing nations

4:03 pm, October 16, 2014 I began WoT in 07/14. I have always liked German tanks and have battled up to tier 4 in only German tanks with about 1400 battles. Now that I'm "learning" about "other nation's tanks&qu [..] View

IS-6 Ace Mastery! Finally! Too bad it was a loss.

4:03 pm, October 16, 2014 So I just finished an encounter on Lakeville.   Valley got over run despite having a td and a few arty there against a scout, medium, and heavy.   I had to take on the city practica [..] View

AFK/BOT Detection...Maybe you should check if customers are actually trying to get in game to play!

4:03 pm, October 16, 2014 Well I confirmed my suspicion this morning, and I am sure Wargames did not test this before they implemented the new BOT / AFK Warning System.  Personally I figured I would just cross my fing [..] View

Rework the large med / repair kits

4:03 pm, October 16, 2014 Currently the large medkit and large repair kit repair / fix any damaged crew / module once, at the moment of activating.   IE, if you have a damaged track, a damaged turret ring and a damage [..] View

For those of you who don't know what we're missing out on in the EU

5:03 am, October 16, 2014 The newest version of EU's "Top of the Tree" and NA's "On Track" were released not too long ago; Here's a comparison. This is the case with all missions, EU gets a meh mission and [..] View

Pics from Oshawa RCAC Tank Roll Out

5:03 am, October 16, 2014 Pictures shot at the Oshawa RCAC's Tank Roll Out Day on October 11, 2014. Thought this might be of interest to the WoT folks since it has pics of several tanks featured in the game, including several [..] View

A-44 Needs more gun selections

5:03 am, October 16, 2014 I am currently grinding through the A-44 on my way up that line of the Soviet Mediums and have noticed a huge obstacle to my progress. That is the absolutely horrible soft stats of the 107mm gun. 3.4 [..] View

Leo On Track: Guide+Replays

4:03 pm, October 15, 2014 Preface: My stats in the leo, http://i.imgur.com/JyNeD1L.jpg A wonderful (very generous) benefactor on reddit is gifting me a fury e8 if I do a leo 1 guide as well as guide him a bit in game, so here [..] View

Why don't we have map blacklisting?

4:03 pm, October 15, 2014 why can't we blacklist 2-3 maps so we don't get them in the matchmaking? some players like x, some like y. and same goes for disliking maps. There are plenty of maps in the game and plenty of players [..] View

What to do with the "free" Fury crew?

4:03 pm, October 15, 2014 This is if you are running a US med line and have a crew to grind in it.  Obviously if you don't have a US med crew to put in it the free crew comes in handy.  But for those of us wi [..] View

Wardaddy bags his first Tiger and gets Ace+Fury review

4:03 pm, October 15, 2014 Like the title says, I just got ace in my brand new fury tank and brought home my first Tiger pelt.   1988 damage done 1694 assisted 3 ****** 6 more damaged for confederate 41,451 cr [..] View

Groove is now looking for casual players.

5:03 am, October 15, 2014 Hello, I am here to announce that the clan Groove is now recruiting. The goal of groove is to present a casual place to play on the weekends. I as commander welcome anyone interested in joining, no pa [..] View

WT Auf E 100

5:03 am, October 15, 2014 I'm very, very close to unlocking the tier 9 German TD, Pz auf whatever. I'm starting to wonder if the WT Auf E 100 is worth the grind/credits/crew it would take up. I already have the autoloading Bat [..] View

92nd field Artillery aka The Red Devil's

5:03 am, October 15, 2014 Hey guys i didn't know where to post this on the forums. This is my first time posting. So here is my request/suggestion. I was curious whom i would  have to talk to about requesting the Red [..] View

Looking for a Canadian Clan

4:03 pm, October 14, 2014 Would like to find a Canadian clan to join if there is such a clan. i do have some CW experience and enjoy platooning and team battles.I have several tier 10's which all are CW ready. I do play quite [..] View

Game Play Awards

4:03 pm, October 14, 2014 Start giving out awards like 1000 xp for reaching a level in the number of battles. Like if you get 1000 battles, give out 1000 xp points, etc for each level - 1000, 2000, 3000, ******** . This would [..] View

Rated verses non rated verses combined

4:03 pm, October 14, 2014 Just thought this would be a good point of discussion today.  Should they split the states to a non-rated and globally rated (server) stats for the individual?  What I was thinking i [..] View

When am I allowed to move up a tier? And a bit of crew training.

4:03 pm, October 14, 2014 Ok so I'm learning and playing the game.  I'm around tier 3-4 through earning but also purchased a pack of 3 tier 5 heavies a couple weeks ago.  I'm not great with those and I know i [..] View

Balance of the Hellcat

5:03 am, October 14, 2014 The Hellcat seems to be a hot topic in WoT as some tier 6's are better than the rest and used for pub stomping. Like the old KV-1S, Hellcat, Su-100. etc. Tanks with big guns that can carry games. Now [..] View

13 75 Crew conundrum.

5:03 am, October 14, 2014 So, I did well in the AMX 12t, finished it with a 56% win rate. However, I'm doing rather poorly in the 13 75. Use of the search function reveals I've been playing it wrong, using it as a passive scou [..] View

I think matchmaking is actually done by a person.

5:03 am, October 14, 2014 A person with an intense hatred for me. Let me quote his last ideas: "I understand that you are driving stock T6? Sure thing, T8 it is! For every match of course, wouldn't want you to miss out.&q [..] View

Loading screen lockup

5:03 am, October 14, 2014 Good day,   After taking a hiatus from the game for a week, I logged on to find a new update. So, completed that and logged onto the game. First thing I noticed was no sound in the garage. Ch [..] View

What was the weekend mini-patch about?

5:03 am, October 14, 2014 I was away this weekend and just now opened World of tanks.  Evidently there was a small patch sometime over the past three days as there was a small download before the software would open.& [..] View

0X Arcade Zoom Mod Help

4:03 pm, October 13, 2014 I have searched and have not found any zoom mod that has the first arcade zoom step at 0X modification. So, I went in and edited the zoom files of your generic arcade zoom mod to add this 0X feature, [..] View

Lets Talk about the new Scouts!

4:03 pm, October 13, 2014 Ah yes, with the influx of new scout tanks people have been throwing out "OP OP OP PLS NERF TEARS TEARS TEARS" in pretty much every game now. Lets take a deeper walk into this mindset, dis-s [..] View

T34, how does it compare to T29 and T32?

5:03 am, October 13, 2014 I want to buy a Tier 8 Prem that is not the Super Pershing and I'm wondering if I'd like the T34. I've been grinding through a few lines (US medium and heavy, E50M and E100 lines, the IS-7 line) and T [..] View

T6 Skirmishes - Please share tanks and stategies

5:03 am, October 13, 2014 So today I got my first chance to lead a few skirmishes for my clan. We play the tier 6 games due to more people having tanks available. Our current team composition used by the other callers is a com [..] View

M48A1 needs a buff

5:03 am, October 13, 2014 (Title is wrong...should say "M48A1 needs rebalancing") The Patton used to be a great tier 10 medium, but after some nerfs...it has lost its competitiveness.  It feels very redundan [..] View

Which tank line is write for me?

5:03 am, October 13, 2014 I like going, ehh not to the front lines but likeeee...fighting enemys close range. So good armor and a pretty good gun. With pen that is pretty decent. I would say a GUN thats pretty decent. Mobility [..] View

Malinovka rush

4:03 pm, October 12, 2014 Hello rddt, so everyone is familiar with K3 for the north team and H1,J2 for the south team rushes. Now my problem is that south team really doesn't know how to deffend against it.Game after game when [..] View

Seeking a clan.

4:03 pm, October 12, 2014 Alright, i played WoT a while ago but had to stop for personal reasons. I am currently getting back into it but would like a clan to play with. Prefer a some what organized clan but what ever works xD [..] View

m12 perks/skils

4:03 pm, October 12, 2014 So on my M12 I got my first set of perks/skills unlocked, what things should I be getting for an arty? this is my first set of them on a SPG so I have no clue. Please any help would be nice! View

Can anyone make me a sixth sense mod please?

4:03 pm, October 12, 2014 Hello whoever is reading this, if you know how to make a sixth sense mod could you please make me one? I have tried and tried but can't. So would anyone be able to help make me one? All I want on it i [..] View

Looking for a social/casual clan.

5:03 am, October 12, 2014 Hello, I'm looking to join a clan that doesn't require regular attendance for TS or CW. There are times when I'm playing/watching tv with my GF and don't want to have a mic on. I would like to join pl [..] View

Looking for advice on playing the (nearly) stock IS-8

5:03 am, October 12, 2014 I say nearly stock because I'm using the BL-9 for the obvious reason that I don't want to make myself suicidal before I've unlocked the IS-7. Anyhow I recently unlocked this tank and I'm having real t [..] View

My arty support

5:03 am, October 12, 2014 I played arty in some games and have 3 uploads that some may appreciate:   1. http://wotreplays.com/site/1234346#ruinberg-roeskain-gw_panther   2. http://wotreplays [..] View

Suggested Tier 8 path for casual gamers (with team-battles in mind)?

4:03 pm, October 11, 2014 We all have a full-time job, and most of my friends have a family, which makes it difficult to find free time for gaming. A couple of times a year, we hide out in a chalet for a prolonged weekend-lan [..] View

Looking for a mature clan?

4:03 pm, October 11, 2014 We at the Armored Tank Division [ATD] are looking for tankers over 18  with Tier 6 and above vehicles.  We are a new clan that plays for fun, without the drama or pressure of win win [..] View

Low Tier Heavies in the Front Line, or not?

5:03 am, October 11, 2014 I guess most players encountered this situation from one perspective in the past: I was driving my BDR and was put into a Tier 7 match on Airfield. Assuming that my survivability is negligible, I deci [..] View

Game Crashing in M24 Chaffee Sport! Vehicle name not visible!

5:03 am, October 11, 2014 Hello fellow tanker,   Lately World of Tanks has been crashing for me, pacifically with the M24 Chaffee Sport. I will be in the middle of a race and my game will just close and it us [..] View

Looking For a Social Clan

5:03 am, October 11, 2014 Well, pretty much as the title suggests, I'm looking primarily for a social clan.  Or at least a clan that doesn't require a player to be on for clan wars.  I'm pretty much engulfed [..] View

Looking for players to analyze my gameplay

5:03 am, October 11, 2014 I would like to have it be broken down, tell me what I could have done or should do next time. I am looking for people to critical. This will help me later. =)     I would prefer if [..] View

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