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Which clans are good "progression" clans?

5:03 am, October 24, 2014 So, I want to get into some of the top clans. Preferablly G or SIMP. Clearly, I'm not there - stat wise - but I think I might be good enough to play with those guys. In pugs, when they're on my team - [..] View

Reddit Clans Leaderboard - 22 Oct 2014

5:03 am, October 23, 2014 The data is collected from worldoftanks.com and vbaddict.net profiles for 1804 (+5) players across all of the Reddit clans in NA, EU, and SEA. Per-tank data is only available for 636 (+15) players who [..] View

Slow but steady progress

4:03 pm, October 22, 2014 Around a year ago, I started a thread about how I had started out this game just lol'ing around, and had terrible stats to show for it.  I had decided to learn to play, and had worked my way [..] View

Historical "Iconic" Premiums tanks series suggestion

4:03 pm, October 22, 2014 The consensus re prem tanks seems to be -  don't bundle,  and sell more tanks at  ~$3 to ~$18 price points.   Personally I think WoT is sitting on [..] View

Do people really think arty is OP, or do you think it is just an emotional reaction?

5:03 am, October 22, 2014 For tiers 6-10: 12.2% of vehicles average over 1 ****/game, only 3.8% amongst arty. 41% of vehicles have over 50 percent winrates, only 38% amongst arty. Arty represent 13% of the tanks in these tiers [..] View

A writeup on light tanks [AMX12t edition]

5:03 am, October 22, 2014 Ok, to address the kind of awkward pacing and formatting of this post, I actually wrote it as one 15,318 character post, but obviously that doesn't work too well with Reddits format. I'll link to the [..] View

Tactical Magic [TACMG] Recruiting

5:03 am, October 22, 2014 I don't want to go and make this all fancy, with brilliant colors, and flashy pics, etc... This is combat folks, and COMBAT is not pretty, nor is it Glamorous like those ignorant pukes in Hollywood ma [..] View

Crash to Desktop with latest WOT Client

4:03 pm, October 21, 2014 Ever since the last update I have been getting alot of CTD's when exiting a battle and going back to the garage or when just joining a battle I go straight to desktop and have to relog in. I recieved [..] View

How can anyone actually be this bad?

4:03 pm, October 21, 2014 Was playing tier 7 game a saw a player with a non premium tier 6 tank who had a 36% win rate.  I suspected a bot, so I watched him for a while and moved near him and he appeared to be paying [..] View

What are your 3 LEAST favorite tanks in the game?

5:03 am, October 21, 2014 Mine would have to be the D.W.2, the grind was awful. No armor, practically no gun, no speed, and it was just useless. I see other playrs driving the DW2, and i feel sorry for them. The BDR, even thou [..] View

KMaus, any news on the super secret awesome super mission you mentioned?

4:03 pm, October 19, 2014 Concerning your post found here: http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/392721-free-togs-for-all/page__st__120__pid__7915051#entry7915051      Speculation on t [..] View

How should I play a bottom tier heavy?

4:03 pm, October 18, 2014 My armour is useless, my speed is non-existent, my gun pen is not up to scratch, my health pool is 75% of my enemies, i'm too slow to go after lights and meds, my view range is too poor to spot anythi [..] View

Preferred tanks for CW & Grinding question

4:03 pm, October 18, 2014 For various reasons, I have decided to restart my gaming on a new account (after January 1). To this end, I have DLed tons of how to videos to improve my game. I plan to do some experimenting on this [..] View

Nooby player hoping to improve a little

4:03 pm, October 18, 2014 Well, the 1st 3k battles are all fun and games. But now, I'm looking to get a little better at the game. I know the basics, hulldown, peek-a-boom. side scraping, flanking, circling ETC.  I fe [..] View

Is my PC failing?

4:03 pm, October 18, 2014 I know my current, soon to be replaced, PC has the performance of a toaster and I'm always barely getting playable frames even with maximum optimization. It was however always running stable and I've [..] View

Clan RARTY is recruiting.

5:03 am, October 18, 2014 Hello and Greetings from Clan RARTY. If you are reading this you are likely a person looking for a clan and as it happens we are a clan looking for people. We are an amateur MLP clan concentrating on [..] View

A43 line vs T-34-85 line?

5:03 am, October 18, 2014 I'm currently on the T-34 Russian Med and was wondering which med would suit me better. I am looking for fast flankers like the M7, Cromwell, Crusader, etc. I am less interested in another T-34 like t [..] View

What were people expecting from the Fury?

5:03 am, October 17, 2014 I've seen so much hate from it in game from players. Saying it sucks, worst premium ever, etc. It's rather amazing to me. Makes me wonder what they were expecting from it. I mean it's not exactly the [..] View

AFK/BOT Detection...Maybe you should check if customers are actually trying to get in game to play!

4:03 pm, October 16, 2014 Well I confirmed my suspicion this morning, and I am sure Wargames did not test this before they implemented the new BOT / AFK Warning System.  Personally I figured I would just cross my fing [..] View

Goodbye sound mods

4:03 pm, October 16, 2014 According to ftr, Wargaming is switching  engine sounds  from Fmod to Audiokinetic Wwise. What this means is that no sound mods (gun, engine, etc will work) Back to lawmower engines. [..] View

How to get ONLY hitlog?

5:03 am, October 16, 2014 Hi there, I really like the mod: Hitlog that comes with XVM, however, I don't like most of the mods that come WITH xvm, like the vehicle icons and colors that comes with it, or the xvm stats and win r [..] View

Game Play Awards

4:03 pm, October 14, 2014 Start giving out awards like 1000 xp for reaching a level in the number of battles. Like if you get 1000 battles, give out 1000 xp points, etc for each level - 1000, 2000, 3000, ******** . This would [..] View

Balance of the Hellcat

5:03 am, October 14, 2014 The Hellcat seems to be a hot topic in WoT as some tier 6's are better than the rest and used for pub stomping. Like the old KV-1S, Hellcat, Su-100. etc. Tanks with big guns that can carry games. Now [..] View

Why do no xvm mods reflect the official color scheme?

5:03 am, October 13, 2014 I use solo's and I can't find a setup, including DEFAULT XVM that uses the actual XVM color scheme. http://forum.wotlabs.net/index.php?/topic/13442-changes-to-the-color-scale/ According to that 1600 [..] View

Solo Pubbing T10

4:03 pm, October 12, 2014 As a medium player, recently I've been in the struggle. Playing T10 mediums solo feels so underwhelming. Time and time again I run into situations where doing 4000 damage in my 140, bat, leo, etc. get [..] View

Help me understand my stats

4:03 pm, October 12, 2014 My username is MangoCat Noobmeter seems to be saying that my average damage, WN7, WN8, Performance, efficiency, **** ratio etc. have all been increasing. Yet my WR has taken an absolute monstering rec [..] View

WOT Replays (secret)

4:03 pm, October 12, 2014 I noticed for quite a few days now, when I try to look up my page of Secret Replays on the WOT Replay index, I can't select anything past my first page. I've tried different browsers, etc. I'm curious [..] View

Mark of Excellence Rewards

5:03 am, October 12, 2014 So, marks of excellence currently have no purpose other than to show off, and are really hard to get. What if for every mark of excellence you could chose like a "Special Perk" or something [..] View

Nations and Artillery

4:03 pm, October 11, 2014 Hey! /r/WorldofTanks Look for some advice with artillery with different nations, I know that all nations have "CONS and PROS" with their tanks has explained in the sidebar link. But how much [..] View

Low Tier Heavies in the Front Line, or not?

5:03 am, October 11, 2014 I guess most players encountered this situation from one perspective in the past: I was driving my BDR and was put into a Tier 7 match on Airfield. Assuming that my survivability is negligible, I deci [..] View

Any plans of an, in-game, armor inspector ala War Thunder in WoT?

4:03 pm, October 10, 2014 Having played some WoT over the years, and enjoyed it, I was excited when ground forces was released in War Thunder. I tried it out and found it entertaining, both games offer something the other does [..] View

Any r/montageparodies fans in here? [Not mine]

4:03 pm, October 9, 2014 submitted by Vietcrab [link] [2 comments] View

Gotta love matches like these...

5:03 am, October 9, 2014 Battle on Komarin. Team line up was pretty weak. I dont use XVM, but could tell from start up. Too many of the tanks were stockish looking, no camo paint, etc. You know the drill, not a team that coul [..] View

Fail platoon idea

4:03 pm, October 8, 2014 Getting kind of tired of entering a battle only to find a fail platoon is skewing the chances of winning one way or the other.     I don't think it would be too hard for WG to scan f [..] View

High DPM tank lines?

4:03 pm, October 6, 2014 Hi guys, first post, etc etc etc. In short, I've really loved my tiger with its DPM at tier 7. Which tank lines have particularly good DPM for their tiers? I've heard that a majority of the UK tanks h [..] View

Fixing MM and gameplay

4:03 pm, October 6, 2014 I'm not hear to waste anyone's time but for the number of battles i've played, whenever i have a good run, i have basically an fairly equal and opposite bad run. over at least 8k battles, my win rate [..] View

The M24 Chaffee sport - One of the most game-changing tanks in the game?

5:03 am, October 5, 2014 I'm sure it's been said before, but I haven't seen it yet. You're probably thinking "Meh it's just a racing tank" But think of this: Each battle you win in the tank gives 1000 experience, wh [..] View

Wot Numbers

4:03 pm, October 4, 2014 Feel free to try our new application: Wot Numbers :) http://wotnumbers.com Wot Numbers is a World of Tanks progress and performance tool. Run it while playing WoT, and all your battles will be logged [..] View

XVM Should Offer Recent WN8 Option

4:03 pm, October 4, 2014 I'm sure this has been discussed but I can't find anything specific. I also realize this may be a programming nightmare, but still I am curious as to why this isn't an option. Everyone takes a differe [..] View

Newbs, noobs, beginners - pick the right tank from the start

4:03 pm, October 3, 2014 Tankers.   I have seen a lot of sad posts lately from players with 2k to 5k games who are struggling with the game. Poor win rate, WN8, bad stats, low esteem. I am no guru, so please don't ge [..] View

Aslains and changing my game language.

5:03 am, October 3, 2014 Last night before I went to bed I downloaded the new aslains. I also installed it with a few options that had to be downloaded, to the tune of around 1.12 gb total. So I wake up and it says its finis [..] View

The typical high tier (IX & X) battle...

4:03 pm, October 2, 2014 most the team goes to one choke point the one or two lowest tier tanks complain about MM (then die within a couple/few minutes) the remaining 3 or 4 tanks go to other choke point the tanks at first ch [..] View

Black tank?

4:03 pm, October 2, 2014 Game last night a lower tier VK was completely black.  It was easy enough to see, but could not make out the various parts since there was no shadows etc. just looked like a black outline of [..] View

Tier list of tanks for tier 6 strongholds

5:03 am, October 2, 2014 Lately I've been doing quite a bit of tier 6 strongholds and encountering a lot of teams that seem to have no idea what they're doing. I'm hoping to write some guides maybe when I have more experience [..] View

XVM troubles after update

5:03 am, October 2, 2014 After the 9.3 update I went through my usual mod updates. I only use Quickybaby's XVM modpack and YasenKrasen. My problem is that I cannot get XVM statistics to work. When using Quickybaby's modpack I [..] View

Should their be a minimum/maximum game limit to play certain tiers?

5:03 am, October 1, 2014 I have nearly 3,500 battles now. I got rid of my last tier I tank probably 2700 battles ago, and got rid of my last tier II tank about 1,500 battles ago. Just the other day I decided not to buy the ti [..] View

Can /r/WorldOfTanks give me their oppinion on the German Scouts (Tier 4+)

4:03 pm, September 29, 2014 I heard bad things about the AFKPanther, but really good things about the RU251. How's the line? Are they active or passive spotters? What Crew Skills should I pick? etc. etc. Thanks in Advance submi [..] View

player panel too colorful :(

4:03 pm, September 28, 2014 Minor gripe question any way to get the names of the tanks in player panel to be one color or to reflect win 8? I keep Just started using xvm,(webium pack) and i find that colors indicating class of& [..] View

How many mods is too many?

4:03 pm, September 28, 2014 For the past year i only used 3 mods  - Jimbo gunsight, Locatin minimap and Gnomes guns sounds.   Due to new patch i decided to check out XVM and some mods packs and was amazed how m [..] View

Looking for clarification about some CW stuff.

4:03 pm, September 27, 2014 I'm at a point in this game where my main motivation is getting into a better clan for CW and really getting into it and owning land etc. Being decent. To that end, I'm working on being a better playe [..] View

Great desire to become a better player!

5:03 am, September 27, 2014   Hey I'm not sure any one will even give this the time of day, still I would appreciate being able to participate in a clan of decent to top notch players, I am very much average, just recen [..] View

A New Arty Suggestion

5:03 am, September 26, 2014 Everybody loves arty, right? No? Exactly the opposite, you say? Hang out on the forum long enough and you'll probably notice terms like "skycancer" and "clicker" being thrown aroun [..] View

Out of all the things I see ruin the game.... chance of win predictions...

5:03 am, September 26, 2014 Cry about the post all you want but the one thing that stands out and really only see negative from its use is mods that predict the outcome.  They use it to blame people before the game star [..] View

Why exactly are the light tanks the ones that have the toughest matchmaking?

4:03 pm, September 25, 2014 Okay so Im a very new player(around 150 battles) and Ive played light tanks almost exclusively. I read some things on wiki, a little bit of the forums etc. and I realized that light tanks can have ene [..] View

9.3's New Discipline System

4:03 pm, September 25, 2014 Hey Tankers! Let's talk about the new inaction/warning system that is present in 9.3.   So, sometimes life happens ans you might need to leave a game early. Bare in mind, you will now be warn [..] View

How to improve: Know your tanks and maps. (Not a basic guide)

5:03 am, September 25, 2014 Let's face it. Most of the people on this forum are not bad. They know the mechanics. They know all the weak spots. Map positioning. Spotting. Crew layouts. And all the other stuff. Those threads help [..] View

Any players with Nvidia Sli configs? A few questions.

5:03 am, September 24, 2014 Sup. Let me begin by saying I've been playing wot for two years now and last year I built a new PC. It has the Nvidia GTX560 in it (was on a budget.). The game runs with around 35-40 FPS on max settin [..] View

[71_AC] looking for members for casual play

4:03 pm, September 23, 2014 71_AC is a multi-gaming clan. We accept any player that meets the following requirements: -18 or older -Tier 7 tank or higher -Uses Teamspeak   We do take part in strongholds when members wan [..] View

The "honeymoon period" - myth busted

4:03 pm, September 23, 2014 A common belief in WOT is that if you get a new tank, you will get preferential mm for the first X battles. This time, I decided to give it a try. I have a premium account, and I bought a SU-122-44. S [..] View

Two quick questions

4:03 pm, September 23, 2014 When you review your replays, which replays do you watch? Only the bad ones? Et cetera, etc When talking on TS, do you use push to talk, voice activation, or continuous transmission? Regarding teamsp [..] View

Is it national ignore a flank day or something?

5:03 am, September 23, 2014 Alright I need to vent, because this is driving me freaking insane. I swear one in every 4 battles, if I am lucky, I get a team that lemmings off to one side, all the heavies, mediums, etc, leaving th [..] View

Grinding guide - how to avoid losing streaks

4:03 pm, September 22, 2014 Hi tankers.   I've been reading lately about fellow tankers bemoaning losing streaks. I think we all have experienced losing streaks and know how they affect our mood. But when I read about l [..] View

Some T-34-3 buff analysis

4:03 pm, September 21, 2014 Yes, there is already a topic on this, but since I'm an idiot and I'm making my own thread on it anyway.   Anyway, according to FTR, here are some tentative buffs.   - DPM increased [..] View

RU251 Unlock Query

5:03 am, September 21, 2014 I am currently grinding out some XP on the Auf Panther in preparation for the release of the RU251. What I want to know is what module does the tank unlock from. For example currently the Indien Pz c [..] View

Ace Mastery of ****: Replay analsys and criticism please

4:03 pm, September 20, 2014 So yesterday after coming home from a 13 hour shift at work I decided to hop on WOT and derp around a bit. Hopped into my PzIII/IV because I needed to get another 65 xp for the top gun and then work o [..] View

BINARY IS RECRUITING SKILLED PLAYERS FOR EXECUTIVE AND NON-EXECUTIVE POSITIONS

4:03 pm, September 20, 2014   Binary [11011]  is recruiting skilled players to fill both executive and non-executive positions   Minimum Requirements - 1500 Recent WN8 -  - WN8 Must [..] View

Sherman with GIAT oscillating turret and French autoloader?

4:03 pm, September 20, 2014   Ran into this image on Wikipedia and thought it was interesting.  Apparently the Arab nations were experimenting with Sherman variants at the same time as Israel had its Super She [..] View

How to play the A-44

4:03 pm, September 19, 2014 I've been playing this thing for 3 hours. 3 god damned hours. I'd think after that I'd have some idea on what to do with the thing. I tried brawling. Got the **** shot out of me, ammo racked, etc. I [..] View

This is not a vent post. This is not a rage post. I'm not getting mad at anyone, only myself. I'm not making you read. But it would be nice if you did.

4:03 pm, September 19, 2014 Tonight's session was horrible. You might read that one statement and think "man, another tomato's thinking he's the top of the world and is about to ***** about the baddies and the bad mm and th [..] View

Questions about the WOT Community...

4:03 pm, September 19, 2014 SO I give away a few tanks and some gold from time to time, and out of the 87 people (To date) I have gifted to, only one has thanked me in game. My questions is -what excatly is the WOT community? Ar [..] View

Does WoT shadowban in some way

4:03 pm, September 19, 2014 In the sense they can opt to place you in a particular loss / win algorithm? As we know that getting a new tank most of the time places you in a winning contest does WoT also offer better winning odds [..] View

What tank does this drawing look like?

5:03 am, September 19, 2014 What does this tank look like to you? I know I **** at drawing and all but this is meant to be bad. You must have system of inequalities to make each polygon. So yeah. If anyone can help me though, to [..] View

Questions about Matchmaking: Determining Battle Tiers and Maps

4:03 pm, September 18, 2014 Two part question concerning how the game's matchmaking system works: The first part of my question concerns how the game determines battle tiers: I have a basic understanding of how the game determin [..] View

No HUD bug, anyone else?

5:03 am, September 18, 2014 http://imgur.com/a/p377e I've had this bug twice now. part of the HUD is gone, like team composition, ammo etc. After the battle finishes, you get a black screen instead of a garage. anyone else has t [..] View

ARBOK looking for experienced ACTIVE clan wars Tankers

5:03 am, September 18, 2014     .We are looking for players who want to stay in our clan to play in our clan. To us joining a clan is a lot like getting married, when you join us, the clan is committing to giv [..] View

Teams Ruin this game....

4:03 pm, September 17, 2014 I apolgoize for my crude work. I am about to leave and go to sociology class, and I strugglez with paint.  Way way way to many clans flying under the same banner and united in this map. & [..] View

Doing terribly in the IS-8

5:03 am, September 17, 2014 I loved the IS-3. Toward the end of my grind, I was doing 2k+ damage regularly and always made a profit without premium. I just got my IS-8. I expected it would be different, but not this different. M [..] View

Looking for late night players for platooning etc on EU.

5:03 am, September 17, 2014 Hi guys. I've just started a job that generally results in me getting home and playing WoT from roughly 4am-9am GMT. As you can imagine my clan and mates are pretty much all asleep at that time of day [..] View

Centurion 7/1 - Reticle Freeze - Rapid Firing - No Hits

4:03 pm, September 16, 2014 Hello,   I was playing a game on the North American map earlier today, and everything was going swimmingly. If you watch the reply posted below, about 4-5 minutes into the game I decide to go [..] View

Suggestion: War mode.

4:03 pm, September 16, 2014 What if they started 4 public battles simultaneously on 4 different maps arranged in a 2x2 grid and allowed players to move to adjacent maps either at a set time or when they win their map?  [..] View

KV2: A sniping tank?

5:03 am, September 16, 2014 So I was playing a game today in the KV1s, and was holding a corner poorly. I ended up dying from being overwhelmed and being too far forward with no support, after doing a mediocre-to-kind-of-bad 900 [..] View

Crew Skill Reset Weekend & Centurion, Chaffee Skills

4:03 pm, September 15, 2014 Hello all. With the news about there still being the possibility of an FV4202 tier 8 premium, I will try to keep working on the Comet, etc. However, my crew is bad because they because they have been [..] View

How Purple and High Green Players Really Get Their Stats?

4:03 pm, September 14, 2014 Ever notice how most of the Purples (Other than me, of course) and high percentile Greens are almost always in Clans? Yes Clan based play helps to raise stats as does platoon play in pub games. There [..] View

Any discount events coming up?

5:03 am, September 14, 2014 Need any info (if there is any) on upcoming discounts for tanks, equipment, etc. Do you guys think there will be a special on for when the new light tanks are released? Edit: Forgot to say I'm in EU, [..] View

I want to platoon with a much better player today

4:03 pm, September 13, 2014 WHO WILL PLATOON WITH ZACATECAS?   I'm a 7500-game baddie.  Recent WN8 tends to hover around 800 on a bad day and 1100 on a good day.  Overall WN8 is around 700 due [..] View

FIX THE MM PLZ

4:03 pm, September 12, 2014 another day of boring battles because the MM is unable to create evenly balanced teams.  80% of the time battles end 15 to 5 or less.  a good mm would result in battles ending 15 to [..] View

USE the 9.3 Test Server. Test Run the Many New High Tier Scouts

5:03 am, September 11, 2014 With the apparent push by WoT to encourage more Scout involvement at High Tiers, anyone interested in the Scouting Role owes it to themselves to get onto the test server and try out some of the new be [..] View

How to prevent Lemming Trains?

4:03 pm, September 10, 2014 The Lemming train is always a fear I have in low win chance games and when I begin to see it happen I kindly suggest some turn around and go the other way. The problem is though they keep going and th [..] View

Average WN8s By Tank For Reddit Players

5:03 am, September 10, 2014 Here are some interesting stats (interesting to me alone, possibly) on average WN8s for various tanks for players in Reddit clans. This is based on the 544 out of 1709 players in Reddit clans that hav [..] View

What tank does this (horrible) drawing look like?

5:03 am, September 10, 2014 What does this tank look like to you? I know I **** at drawing and all but this is meant to be bad. You must have system of inequalities to make each polygon. So yeah. If anyone can help me though, to [..] View

How to play the comet?

4:03 pm, September 9, 2014 Hello i just unlocked the comet i was wondering what play style should i use, what equipment, crew skills etc? submitted by ctidbailey [link] [13 comments] View

Moronic Monday #1: Spotting, Camo and Bushes

4:03 pm, September 8, 2014 We'd like to introduce a new feature for this subreddit. To help all you new players out there too afraid to ask a question or don't know what questions to ask, this will be your home. Any and all que [..] View

Patch 9.3 Release Event Idea! (Charity Event benefiting Ropkey Armor Museum) Help me out WoT Community and WG!

5:03 am, September 8, 2014 Dear WG and WoT Reddit, (TL:DR at bottom for those who hate walls of text) When Wargaming had the special event benefiting Bovington Tank Museum (certain % of gold sales being donated) I was amazed a [..] View

Please explain the mechanics of HE penetration, in regards to SPGs especially

5:03 am, September 7, 2014 I know most of the special rules for standard ammo types, and a lot of the tricks too (double and triple overmatch, shot traps, etc), but HE I'm still a little fuzzy on. I only recently realized that [..] View

Worst's Guide On Reducing Your Sodium Levels In World of Tanks. (How To Rage Less)

4:03 pm, September 5, 2014 Warning: wall of text and positive thinking ******** ahead Lately I've been noticing a large increase in the amount of salty players in the world of tanks community. Lot's of rage, lot's of frustratio [..] View

Noob alert: Please teach me about the Object 416

4:03 pm, September 5, 2014 So the other day I made a post about how I was loving the A-44 and even believed it had been buffed recently. A few of the responses alluded to the fact that if I enjoyed the A-44, I would enjoy the O [..] View

Some thoughts on in-game Camo schemes

5:03 am, September 5, 2014 While it isn't their #1 priority right now, I feel like the options for in-game camo could use some work. I know some guys don't really care about how it actually looks, but I originally came to the g [..] View

What's your most frustrating experience in WoT?

5:03 am, September 4, 2014 Ranting time! We're talking experiences that've made you want to put your head through the screen for one reason or another. submitted by Vietcrab [link] [24 comments] View

Marks of Mediocrity?

4:03 pm, September 3, 2014 Just read this on FTR, Was it really THAT hard to obtain a mark? I thought the whole point was that it was difficult to achieve.   "Each of values for obtaining Marks of Excellence reduc [..] View

If you are going hill, go hill.

5:03 am, September 2, 2014 Don't stop cause you see scary red.  If you're tracked, hey what can you do.  This kinda goes for more than just the hill etc.  Pretty sure I'm not the only one that dies du [..] View

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