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Team Damage Auto-Ban System Bug?

4:03 pm, October 24, 2014 So I'm taking a stroll in my Bulldog last night when suddenly I find myself rammed, and tracked by a friendly T-34. We exchanged some pleasantries in chat. I questioned the honor of his mother and com [..] View

Top 20 Clans by Gold Revenue over Past 2 Months

4:03 pm, October 24, 2014 Top 20 Clans by Gold Revenue, with Data Collected Daily with WG API's     A few observations: wars are expensive. they hurt gold income corollary: current clan wars mechanics disco [..] View

Last Man Standing - Medal of Honour Award

4:03 pm, October 24, 2014 Hi everyone, I thought a new courage's medal should be added to the game, utilising some rules behind this, it could be implemented.   This medal would be in honor of Walter D. Ehle [..] View

Arty Lines

4:03 pm, October 24, 2014 So, a long while ago i once played Arty but i was discouraged in playing it after an ally got in the way of my shell and had -1 next to me so i stopped playing it  after the game finished but [..] View

Some people need to learn the difference between abandoning your team and falling back.

5:03 am, October 24, 2014 The difference? The first would be if your heavies are in a fairly intense fight and have a fairly good chance of winning if you play it right. By this I mean if it's like 4 heavies brawling against 4 [..] View

The Grind - T37 Light review

5:03 am, October 24, 2014 This is my new way of reviewing tanks, including the grind from stock (albeit I only play a few games while stock) to help people that do not like to use free experience. Beware, as this is m [..] View

Fury "Illuminati"

5:03 am, October 24, 2014 Im very worried, because i noticed, on the back of the new M4A3E8 Fury Tank, bottom right flap, their are these words written "2 (Triangle (Triangle) 2 (Triangle) 666 (Triangle)" And Clearly [..] View

Sand River Encounter Imbalance

5:03 am, October 24, 2014 West spawn has the decided advantage north of the river. The dunes are pushed too far towards east spawn and allow for free fire into the pass connecting north/south near G8. This firing location, fro [..] View

Enough with the Warnings... Your pissing me off

5:03 am, October 24, 2014 I appreciate that WOT is trying to better the game play but a blanket warning system when a person leave is bull. I don't pay and and play a game where someone "Warns me". Im a fifty year ol [..] View

TIL there used to be crew voices for battle won and lost....i want that...

4:03 pm, October 23, 2014 http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Battle_Mechanics#Unused_Messages and crew voice for gun reloaded, explosion nearby and enemy spotted too....i'd guess somehow it gets annoying but before that it would be [..] View

Churchill AVRE British artillery?

4:03 pm, October 23, 2014 The Armoured Vehicle Royal Engineers was a Churchill III or IV equipped with the Petard, a 290 mm Spigot mortar, throwing the 40 lb (18 kg) "Flying dustbin" with its 28 pound high explosive [..] View

Wargaming needs to learn how to run a tournament

4:03 pm, October 23, 2014 For about 8 or 9 months now, I've been doing tournaments that Wargaming puts up every week. Main reason being "obviously" the metric **** ton of gold you can make. This is why they are prett [..] View

IS-4, the Russian anvil

4:03 pm, October 23, 2014 Many people overlook this tank simply because the stats on it are not really that impressive. I mean, we are talking about a tank with slow top speed, slow acceleration, a little clumsy on the turns, [..] View

My thoughts on golden ammunition.

5:03 am, October 23, 2014 I understand that there are many different posts about people flaming and raging about the gold ammunition and i have also had my own share of rage. "Why are you wasting ******* gold rounds on a [..] View

(NA) T-B-T IS RECRUITING

4:03 pm, October 22, 2014 We are a new Clan, but we are not weak We don't back down without a fight And we want to do Clan Wars, But we need willing players to join us. So do you want to join us? Here are a few requirements fr [..] View

Which tier X should I get?

4:03 pm, October 22, 2014 So I have the JgPzE100, WT E100, and the AMX 50B unlocked. I already have the T57, IS-7, and Obj. 268. I'm also ~60k from the T-62A, and ~50k from the T110E5. All that being said, I'm not involved in [..] View

Historical "Iconic" Premiums tanks series suggestion

4:03 pm, October 22, 2014 The consensus re prem tanks seems to be -  don't bundle,  and sell more tanks at  ~$3 to ~$18 price points.   Personally I think WoT is sitting on [..] View

Question [EU Server]

5:03 am, October 22, 2014 Is there any mission for 1 day of premium going on? I just noticed that I have 18 hours of premium left. I did not buy it...and can't seem to find any mission with that kind of reward. What's going on [..] View

[Updated] WoT Ping Tester v0.2

5:03 am, October 22, 2014 Hi there, so a while back I posted a simple ping tester batch file for World of Tanks: http://www.reddit.com/r/WorldofTanks/comments/1mkj7z/wot_ping_tester_v01/ I was bored so I decided to update it [..] View

[NA] Invite Code: WOTREDDIT - 7 Days Prem; 500 Gold; T2 Light Tank

5:03 am, October 22, 2014 After months of seeing post after post of people begging for invite codes, the mods brainstormed with Wargaming to come up with a solution. So here it is! A semi-permanent (depending on how well this [..] View

A writeup on light tanks [AMX12t edition]

5:03 am, October 22, 2014 Ok, to address the kind of awkward pacing and formatting of this post, I actually wrote it as one 15,318 character post, but obviously that doesn't work too well with Reddits format. I'll link to the [..] View

Gold to credits worth it?

5:03 am, October 22, 2014 Alright, so I'm grinding my T-54 to the Obj. 140 because I need it for clan wars. Problem is I don't have 6 million creds. I just got 2 Prepaid cards so there's 10,760 gold in my garage. Should I use [..] View

Tactical Magic [TACMG] Recruiting

5:03 am, October 22, 2014 I don't want to go and make this all fancy, with brilliant colors, and flashy pics, etc... This is combat folks, and COMBAT is not pretty, nor is it Glamorous like those ignorant pukes in Hollywood ma [..] View

Crash to Desktop with latest WOT Client

4:03 pm, October 21, 2014 Ever since the last update I have been getting alot of CTD's when exiting a battle and going back to the garage or when just joining a battle I go straight to desktop and have to relog in. I recieved [..] View

Clan WINCHESTER -WIN- Esta recrutando brasileiros BR

4:03 pm, October 21, 2014  O QUE É O WINCHESTER ?           Clã ativo e focado em CW's e Torneios. Participamos em Clã Wars e Camp [..] View

[SOLVED] Mission "Total Destruction" Completion Bug

4:03 pm, October 21, 2014 Well, i completed today the mission "Total Destruction" that gives you 2 garage slots, and 10.000 crew exp, in my KV-85, but instead of the mission granting me that, it just reseted and give [..] View

NARWL is selectively recruiting

4:03 pm, October 21, 2014   Upvote is an independent clan active in clan wars. We are RDDT's sister clan.   Upvote is looking for recruits for Clan Wars and the upcoming Campaign!   & [..] View

HD Suspension on Standard graphics.

5:03 am, October 21, 2014 Back when HD tanks were coming out and Wargaming was talking about the HD suspension system that the new models had, on the test server, the new system worked on the standard render settings, however [..] View

Understanding Performance Rating Discrepancy

5:03 am, October 21, 2014 So, I'm wondering what's up with the difference between my PR in game and the one reported on Noobmeter...   My Noobmeter says 1230, but my Service Record Summary says 2855.... Anyone know?&a [..] View

[SPOILERISH?] Why didn't Fury use a Tiger II instead of using a Tiger I?

4:03 pm, October 20, 2014 Not sure if this is the right forum to post this in, but you seem to be talking about Fury here. I just wanted to ask why a Tiger II (King Tiger) wasn't used in the movie as the main enemy tank consid [..] View

Earning credits in a CHI-RI

4:03 pm, October 20, 2014 So I have been familiarizing myself with the Japanese 犬.... the Chi Ri.  It is big… it is somewhat slow.  It is an awkward medium since it is basically a light [..] View

Please dont give us **** #tanks of nation X missions

4:03 pm, October 20, 2014 So we get another destroy  # nation X missions.   Dear WoT if your goal was to create a mission where people said - Hell no I am not doing this  you got a success. &nbsp [..] View

[NA/EU/SEA] World of Tanks Platoon Finder [WoTmanager.com/platoon | Beta]

5:03 am, October 20, 2014 Introducing World of Tanks Platoon Finder [Beta] Powered by WoTManager.com Youtube video to show you the site in action: Tutorial Starting with the home page, the user is asked to login with OpenID th [..] View

What tank deals do we need to look forward to in the next few months?

5:03 am, October 20, 2014 I already have the jgtr 8.8, the super pershing and the t-34-3 and I'm looking for a new premium tank, any prem deals that could happen soon, like type 59 or something like that? submitted by todd_t [..] View

[SHOJO] is recruiting! (trigger warning: anime)

5:03 am, October 20, 2014 To Aru Kagaku no Panzer is recruiting o/   [SHOJO] is [MAHOU]'s subclan that aims at skilled but relaxed gameplay. If you've been friendzoned by Mahou, we can friendzone yo [..] View

[GN0ME] Gnome is Recruiting

5:03 am, October 20, 2014 Gnome is Recruiting!   Welcome About Gnome: Gnome is a new clan seeking to recruit high level and experienced tankers. We want to be competitive, participating in Clan Wars, Stronkh [..] View

What happened today while attempting to pay for a Fury Bundle (WG Fail)

4:03 pm, October 19, 2014 So I recently decided I would buy a Fury bundle with the $100 package. I went to gift shop, and double checked the amount of money I needed and the payment method, which is MyCard. (MyCard is like a e [..] View

PLAYER-ISSUED AWARDS (JUST A SUGGESTION)

4:03 pm, October 19, 2014 Greetings and salutations, fellow tankers!   Just a noob trying to make the games more pleasurable.   Just played a game where I saw a player play an amazing game, yet upon checking [..] View

The new OP WN8 farming?

4:03 pm, October 19, 2014 Any old hand at this game will remember the 105mm HEAT spam PZ IV / M4 farming that was rampant from between when premium shells became available for credits until 105mm HEAT pen got nerfed from 150 t [..] View

KMaus, any news on the super secret awesome super mission you mentioned?

4:03 pm, October 19, 2014 Concerning your post found here: http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/392721-free-togs-for-all/page__st__120__pid__7915051#entry7915051      Speculation on t [..] View

Fury Movie review - from WoT player

5:03 am, October 19, 2014 I watched Fury tonight at the theater. I thought it was a good war movie - does not glorify war at all, yet still has several good very graphic battle scenes.  Not preacherly anti-war either [..] View

Ughh, just had a teammate fail at trying to TK me

5:03 am, October 19, 2014 After calling out an allied KV-5 for camping by telling the enemy team that KV-5s are the best sniping platform in the game, he started talking smack and did the usual "ur bad" and "now [..] View

Hear Ye! Hear Ye!

4:03 pm, October 18, 2014 The Knights Templar was about a band of Christian crusades on a mission from God to reclaim the Holy Land, and its capital of Jerusalem, from the Muslims led by Saladin. Now, the Tank Gods has called [..] View

Clan RARTY is recruiting.

5:03 am, October 18, 2014 Hello and Greetings from Clan RARTY. If you are reading this you are likely a person looking for a clan and as it happens we are a clan looking for people. We are an amateur MLP clan concentrating on [..] View

Anybody else having ping issues?

5:03 am, October 18, 2014 It's been a few days now that my ping is perfectly fine when the match starts, sitting at around 80 ms, then when the match starts and as soon as i give any sort of input the ping skyrockets to 800+, [..] View

Suggestion to make World of Tanks better.

5:03 am, October 18, 2014 So my suggestion is simple, in order to keep players like myself who are starting to get tired of WoT and are looking towards "other games" to get our tank combat fix.   1.) Put Pre [..] View

"Broken" SPG

5:03 am, October 18, 2014 Am I the only one that's noticed that the Crusader SP drives the wrong way? In actuality the gun points out over the rear deck. The driver's seat in the vehicle, as driven now, faces the rear end and [..] View

Why can't I T69?

5:03 am, October 17, 2014 I am a recovering tomato, and generally I'm getting acceptable at the game. Not yet hit t10 - my regulars are E75, T71, T-43 and I have just started the T29. My tops are E75, IS3.....and T69. And I ha [..] View

Quick temp post: Regarding the Total Destruction mission, does accelerated crew training make any difference on the reward?

5:03 am, October 17, 2014 The reward is 10,000 crew xp, so since it is crew exp only it seems logical that it would not double on a crew member via the training option (since that is for converting combat exp to crew exp). Is [..] View

Developers' Q&A session in WGKR 16.10.14

5:03 am, October 17, 2014 source : http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=119971 summary Alexander Tarasevich - Game & UX designer Alexander Derkch - CW programming manager For the reward of the personalised mission [..] View

AFK/BOT Detection...Maybe you should check if customers are actually trying to get in game to play!

4:03 pm, October 16, 2014 Well I confirmed my suspicion this morning, and I am sure Wargames did not test this before they implemented the new BOT / AFK Warning System.  Personally I figured I would just cross my fing [..] View

Goodbye sound mods

4:03 pm, October 16, 2014 According to ftr, Wargaming is switching  engine sounds  from Fmod to Audiokinetic Wwise. What this means is that no sound mods (gun, engine, etc will work) Back to lawmower engines. [..] View

For those of you who don't know what we're missing out on in the EU

5:03 am, October 16, 2014 The newest version of EU's "Top of the Tree" and NA's "On Track" were released not too long ago; Here's a comparison. This is the case with all missions, EU gets a meh mission and [..] View

T-54 Lightweight hidden nerf - no camo bonus while moving

5:03 am, October 16, 2014 Pardon this repeat post, but the original didn't get much feedback.   heavymetal1967, on Oct 08 2014 - 09:38, said: Hopefully this is the result of bad testing or some other glitch.&n [..] View

Leo On Track: Guide+Replays

4:03 pm, October 15, 2014 Preface: My stats in the leo, http://i.imgur.com/JyNeD1L.jpg A wonderful (very generous) benefactor on reddit is gifting me a fury e8 if I do a leo 1 guide as well as guide him a bit in game, so here [..] View

Let's talk about Wargaming Customer Support and why it's the worst in the business.

4:03 pm, October 15, 2014 If you've dealt with almost literally any other AAA caliber game's customer support you'll note that the experiences are usually positive. If you have a legitimate issue they will likely help you with [..] View

Stug IIIV saveable?

4:03 pm, October 15, 2014 I was playing the 38T for some time, after getting off the Marder II as rapidly as possible (it does less damage per minute than a PzI). I had great luck sniping with the 38T, but was very frustrated [..] View

Ok ok, real funny, guys...[seriously, that's funny in several languages!]

4:03 pm, October 15, 2014 A campfire? Yea I get it....pretty funny..."look at Ura! wutta camper! HAR! HAR!" Good one guys!!   So which one of you wiseguy snuck into my garage and set up this little practical [..] View

What to do with the "free" Fury crew?

4:03 pm, October 15, 2014 This is if you are running a US med line and have a crew to grind in it.  Obviously if you don't have a US med crew to put in it the free crew comes in handy.  But for those of us wi [..] View

Wardaddy bags his first Tiger and gets Ace+Fury review

4:03 pm, October 15, 2014 Like the title says, I just got ace in my brand new fury tank and brought home my first Tiger pelt.   1988 damage done 1694 assisted 3 ****** 6 more damaged for confederate 41,451 cr [..] View

Wargaming Construction Stronk

5:03 am, October 15, 2014
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Groove is now looking for casual players.

5:03 am, October 15, 2014 Hello, I am here to announce that the clan Groove is now recruiting. The goal of groove is to present a casual place to play on the weekends. I as commander welcome anyone interested in joining, no pa [..] View

92nd field Artillery aka The Red Devil's

5:03 am, October 15, 2014 Hey guys i didn't know where to post this on the forums. This is my first time posting. So here is my request/suggestion. I was curious whom i would  have to talk to about requesting the Red [..] View

Looking...

5:03 am, October 15, 2014 Currently in a clan, but they are inactive at best, so I was just seeing if there are any active clans interested in my self, 1 T10, Recent WN8 1200+( 24 Hrs 2150 ), on at least 3 times a week, motiva [..] View

Looking for a Canadian Clan

4:03 pm, October 14, 2014 Would like to find a Canadian clan to join if there is such a clan. i do have some CW experience and enjoy platooning and team battles.I have several tier 10's which all are CW ready. I do play quite [..] View

Game Play Awards

4:03 pm, October 14, 2014 Start giving out awards like 1000 xp for reaching a level in the number of battles. Like if you get 1000 battles, give out 1000 xp points, etc for each level - 1000, 2000, 3000, ******** . This would [..] View

Tog questions

5:03 am, October 14, 2014 So, I've been wondering, as I'm completing the Tog rewarding mission, how is it for making credits (consider that I don't have a premium tank), how it is in general and lastly, by selling it, how much [..] View

[RDDT] EU is Recruiting!

5:03 am, October 14, 2014 What do we do? Clan Wars Strongholds Platoons Tournaments What do we offer? A stable, active and sociable World of Tanks community since 2011. Excellent opportunities in Clan Wars (currently fighting [..] View

Loading screen lockup

5:03 am, October 14, 2014 Good day,   After taking a hiatus from the game for a week, I logged on to find a new update. So, completed that and logged onto the game. First thing I noticed was no sound in the garage. Ch [..] View

What was the weekend mini-patch about?

5:03 am, October 14, 2014 I was away this weekend and just now opened World of tanks.  Evidently there was a small patch sometime over the past three days as there was a small download before the software would open.& [..] View

WoT Login Server Maintenance - October 14, 2014

5:03 am, October 14, 2014 Just a heads up folks.  Sounds pretty minor.  At least if the "downtime" is as expected.   https://na.wargaming.net/support/News/NewsItem/View/285/world-of-tan [..] View

On-Track the Leopard - NA

5:03 am, October 13, 2014 Next NA On-Track is up in coming soon missions for NA. It's the Leopard line with the T-25 as the reward. Sounds like a painful one. I'm finishing up the current On-Track for the SU-85I today but I th [..] View

What do I have to look forward to?

5:03 am, October 13, 2014 I've been playing this game for years. I now have 22k battles under my belt. My interest for the game has been lowering gradually. I play less and less games during each session before I get bored and [..] View

Reddit Clan Recruitment Question...

5:03 am, October 13, 2014 So, I am an average player with average stats (Who once in a while YOLOs...). I look at this game for what it is a game and now somewhat of a hobby. I have always liked organized play and I have done [..] View

<Clank!>

5:03 am, October 13, 2014 You know that sound I'm talking about...   I've just recently become aware that I've actually worked that damn sound into my situational awareness. If I'm zoomed and about to take a shot and [..] View

M48A1 needs a buff

5:03 am, October 13, 2014 (Title is wrong...should say "M48A1 needs rebalancing") The Patton used to be a great tier 10 medium, but after some nerfs...it has lost its competitiveness.  It feels very redundan [..] View

Can't install WOT, log file says patch files are corrupt

5:03 am, October 12, 2014 My WOT install decided it needed to re-install itself, and now I can't get it to work. I get a "Installation Failed" error every time, the log file shows this: 11/10/2014 14:22:11 Installing [..] View

Tiger 1 gun

5:03 am, October 12, 2014 So I just got the tiger and have unlocked the 2nd turret, but not the best gun. I was wondering what was the best gun for me to use while i grind towards the 88. submitted by WildBeast26 [link] [12 [..] View

Where's my camo?

5:03 am, October 12, 2014 I bought camo on two different tanks. On one of them it has never shown up in game. On the other it shows up in game maybe half the time. Maybe. I paid gold for camo, and I'm not getting it. It shows [..] View

Discussion: Is it a good thing that all TDs can pivot?

5:03 am, October 12, 2014 On one hand it makes playing a TD easier but on the other hand its absolutely unhistorcial because only a hand full of the TDs in WoT could actually pivot. Wargaming says they want to make all the cha [..] View

Mark of Excellence Rewards

5:03 am, October 12, 2014 So, marks of excellence currently have no purpose other than to show off, and are really hard to get. What if for every mark of excellence you could chose like a "Special Perk" or something [..] View

[TCH-R] now recruiting casual players for strongholds/cw

5:03 am, October 12, 2014 Tin Can Heroes Reserve is looking for players to help continue the strongholds and start clan wars once we reach 20 active players per night.   The main goal is to have fun and win g [..] View

Join [AURUM] for clamwarts!

4:03 pm, October 11, 2014   __________________________________________________ We are a clan who has a really great bunch of players all interested in getting better and improving the clan as a whole. Aurum h [..] View

Strangest MM I've seen yet

4:03 pm, October 11, 2014 Pub Tier V match, 6 tier III tanks on one side, zero tier III tanks on the other. Note that the platoon arrangements do not seem to explain this.   Anyone seen it [..] View

Oh you are close to your 2nd MOE.....?

4:03 pm, October 11, 2014 "Well then, let me shower you with the worst possible MM ...."   So I'm trying to get my 2nd MOE in my T-34-1, love the tank and for the most part I've had some spectacular games in [..] View

Looking For a Social Clan

5:03 am, October 11, 2014 Well, pretty much as the title suggests, I'm looking primarily for a social clan.  Or at least a clan that doesn't require a player to be on for clan wars.  I'm pretty much engulfed [..] View

[MDG] Moddedgaming looking for player!

5:03 am, October 11, 2014 Hello,     Moddedgaming started a clan for WOT a couple of months back and we're looking for more people.   A little background on us.   We are a core group of frie [..] View

Any plans of an, in-game, armor inspector ala War Thunder in WoT?

4:03 pm, October 10, 2014 Having played some WoT over the years, and enjoyed it, I was excited when ground forces was released in War Thunder. I tried it out and found it entertaining, both games offer something the other does [..] View

M4A2E4 in other shops but the NA and EU

4:03 pm, October 10, 2014 just wondering if anybody knows the reasoning behing wargaming making the M4A2E4  available for the SEA and RU servers, but not the NA and EU servers.  View

Eu player...in NA.

5:03 am, October 10, 2014 Hello everybody, I'm pretty much in need of a good suggestion. Basically I've started playing WoT back in Europe, pretty much after getting my degree. Two months ago I moved to Vancouver to continue m [..] View

Lion of Sinai award, historical reference?

5:03 am, October 10, 2014 Is there any historical information on this? I know it has to do with the war fought between Israel, Egypt and the USSR, but I was just wondering if there is any Israeli ace tankers from this war that [..] View

Clan RUMM Is Looking for New Members.

5:03 am, October 10, 2014   Greetings Fellow Tanker,   Clan RUMM is a US based Clan who is looking for skilled recruits above the age of 21 to participate in Stronghold Battles. All Applicants are required [..] View

Please Enlarge Mini Map Default Size

5:03 am, October 10, 2014 I never realized this when playing on my PC. A while ago I tried to play on a laptop, and that mini-map is tiny! Perhaps making it bigger would improve new player's situation awareness? It only takes& [..] View

Suspended from chat message

4:03 pm, October 9, 2014 I was playing a game this morning and was going to send a message but couldnt . Got the message that I have been suspended from chat for 5s. I don't know what 5S means and don't know why I received it [..] View

9.2 & 9.3 freezes and lost connections

4:03 pm, October 9, 2014 Hi everyone I have a problem with the new rule. The game Freezes on my computer with regularity ( have a ticket running since August 15th all priemum days ) and I may or may loose conection with th se [..] View

Are Mastery "Ace Tanker" awards not meant to make any sense when you get one?

4:03 pm, October 9, 2014 I played a game in my Tier 5 M4 Sherman yesterday and I got a Mastery badge.  I was excited of course (its only my fifth one ever), but also very confused.  My WN8 score for the matc [..] View

So who has Completed the OnTrack Mission ?

4:03 pm, October 9, 2014 I just Finished it myself   T95  2,240   (x2)  32,885    Battle achievements Mastery Badge: "3rd Class" Mission completed! Reward: Compe [..] View

[SUGGESTION] Stopping The Unnecessary Nerfing Of Arty

4:03 pm, October 9, 2014 War Gaming is nerfing artillery to heII. But changes to Arty in general are in fact needed and are justified; we know there is a problem. Most of us recognize it, but…. most of use disagree [..] View

TL-DR NOW RECRUITING FOR CLAN WARS

5:03 am, October 9, 2014 TL-DR, The RDDT alliance's number 3 clan wars clan, is looking for good players to join our ongoing mission to carve out a piece of the global map. We play clan wars in the 8:00pm (20:00) eastern time [..] View

[STILL]Still Smokin is recruiting

5:03 am, October 9, 2014 Still Smokin is a proud member of Cartel Gaming Member Clans -M-A- , Smoke, Kevlar   We are Recruiting Good Active Players 1. 50%+ Win Rate (we will work with you to help get WR and WN8 up) 2 [..] View

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